• Insekticus@aussie.zone
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    6 hours ago

    Omg, if Walz started using the national guard to arrest the ICE thugs, unmask them, take photos and document each individual criminal and make a database of them - he’d become a legend overnight.

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      That would almost certainly kick off an actual formal civil war.

      Because if that started happening… the President would assert his authority over the Minnesota branch of the national guard.

      And at that moment… basically every member of any kind of armed government agency would basically have to pick sides.

      Because the way the national guard is legally set up in the US… is complicated, but basically, both the President and State Governors can give them direct orders.

      Like uh, for the past 20 years, a fair number of Guardsmen/women, well they’ve been serving in Iraq and Afghanistan and what not, because they can be called up to do that, they’re part of the Army, basically.

      They don’t just operate only within their own state or within the US.

      And… the President ultimately controls the Army.

      But Governors can also call up the Guard.

      So… yeah…

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        Didn’t Heritage Foundation president Kevin Roberts already say, ‘we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be’?

        So really the blue states would just be kind of getting on with it?

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          Yes, that did happen, but liberals, mainline Democrats, even many self-described leftists just pretend that didn’t happen, or don’t take it seriously at all, do not fully comprehend what that means.

          Well, now we are a few more years and months into that, and… we are unfortunately having to learn the hard way that when fascists tell you they love and are going to do violence, well they’re going to keep doing it untill you beat their capacity to do so out of them.

          But what I was trying to get at was the sort of formal, technical definition of a civil war vs the more colloquial kind of vague understanding of it.

          Doing that would probably kick off a chain of events that actually would see something like various segments of various levels of the government just declaring the other ones completely illegitimate, formally, legally.

          Which is to say, it could potentially dramatically and rapidly escalate the scope and size and involved areas/regions and number of people involved and intensity of extreme violence…

          …to the point that the kind of collateral damage most Americans are accustomed to watching play out on a TV showing some other part of the world… well now its your neighborhood without food water and power and telecomms for a week or month or three…

          … now its your neighborhood that is having IEDs or drone strikes or airstrikes, that’s subject to basically a shoot on sight night time curfew.