Handing out Donuts and Coffee is PR. It’s not “siding with the citizens”. When they put their bodies between ICE and the people, they are protecting ICE. When they’re deployed to the Whipple federal building, they’re not doing it to push ICE out of the city, or state, but to shield them from citizens.
“Our demand today is for federal agents in our City to act with the discipline and integrity we expect of our own officers every day,” said O’Hara. “We know there’s a lot of anger, but we also ask our community to be peaceful while we work through the details of this tragedy.”
That was the demand when the city requested aid from the guard on the 24th. The real question is, what do guard members do when a group of ICE agents execute another citizen in broad daylight, right in their sight line? What do you think the guard will do? When they attempt to subdue another citizen journalist or legal observer, are they going to get between ICE and the citizen, or are they going to get between the other citizens and ICE?
How much has the guard changed since Kent State, is the question you really need to ask yourself.
I guess I’m just… overly relieved?.. that they’re not actively shadowing ICE as ICE’s body guards, the way that local police normally do.
That they’re bothering to do PR is at this point shocking to me, given how much of the rest of the military, and the Guard and Marines in LA, basically just grumbled a bit and then followed orders, cockamamie as they were.
An incredibly low bar to clear, certainly, … I am … too used to everything going just about as badly as it possibly could, about as fast as it possibly could.
But yes, you are completely correct in everything you say.
Yes, I think these are positive signs that’s true. I worry these kinds of developments will build a kind of complacency. The difference is that these folks are under state orders, not federal orders. They’re from the state, not from out of state. These are important characteristics.
But we should also remember that Kent State happened on state orders.
Accept the good will. But always be vigilante. Hopefully the locals are striking up conversation with these guard members. Giving them their perspectives.
So… … Trump can just supersede the governor and assume command of the unit if he wanted to, right?
… or does that fall into another kind of technical legal / COC unprecedented anomaly category if you try to work out the specifics, so it just functionally comes down to shrug?
Handing out Donuts and Coffee is PR. It’s not “siding with the citizens”. When they put their bodies between ICE and the people, they are protecting ICE. When they’re deployed to the Whipple federal building, they’re not doing it to push ICE out of the city, or state, but to shield them from citizens.
That was the demand when the city requested aid from the guard on the 24th. The real question is, what do guard members do when a group of ICE agents execute another citizen in broad daylight, right in their sight line? What do you think the guard will do? When they attempt to subdue another citizen journalist or legal observer, are they going to get between ICE and the citizen, or are they going to get between the other citizens and ICE?
How much has the guard changed since Kent State, is the question you really need to ask yourself.
Agreed totally.
I guess I’m just… overly relieved?.. that they’re not actively shadowing ICE as ICE’s body guards, the way that local police normally do.
That they’re bothering to do PR is at this point shocking to me, given how much of the rest of the military, and the Guard and Marines in LA, basically just grumbled a bit and then followed orders, cockamamie as they were.
An incredibly low bar to clear, certainly, … I am … too used to everything going just about as badly as it possibly could, about as fast as it possibly could.
But yes, you are completely correct in everything you say.
Yes, I think these are positive signs that’s true. I worry these kinds of developments will build a kind of complacency. The difference is that these folks are under state orders, not federal orders. They’re from the state, not from out of state. These are important characteristics.
But we should also remember that Kent State happened on state orders.
Accept the good will. But always be vigilante. Hopefully the locals are striking up conversation with these guard members. Giving them their perspectives.
So… … Trump can just supersede the governor and assume command of the unit if he wanted to, right?
… or does that fall into another kind of technical legal / COC unprecedented anomaly category if you try to work out the specifics, so it just functionally comes down to shrug?