Revolution and Evolution: A Podcast Conversation with Daniel Che - World BEYOND War
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Daniel Che is a pacifist who left his home in Kyiv to live in Portugal and build Peaceful World, an online peace education project illuminated by Walt Whitman, Lev Tolstoy, the Woodstock Generation and Jainism. #WorldBEYONDWar

By Marc Eliot Stein, World BEYOND War, April 30, 2026

Daniel Che and Marc Eliot Stein on the World BEYOND War podcast

Daniel Che is a pacifist who left his home in Kyiv to live in Portugal and build Peaceful World, an online peace education project illuminated by Walt Whitman, Lev Tolstoy, the Woodstock Generation, Jainism and much more. He joins World BEYOND War’s Marc Eliot Stein for a wide-ranging conversation about counterculture, anekantavada, karma and ahimsa – and also the goals of peace education, US/Israel’s war with Iran, military sadism, anger, and the relative meanings of “revolution” and “evolution”. As always on the World BEYOND War podcast, we had a conversation about antiwar activism that was unstructured and unplanned and took us to surprising places.

Along with the topics above, the names mentioned in this fast-moving conversation include Maria Montessori (who wrote “Education and Peace”), Yoko Ono, Barbara Tuchman, Roger Waters, Henry David Thoreau and Gene Roddenberry. Here is Daniel Che’s video designed to call attention to the Seville Statement on Violence, which was adopted by UNESCO in 1989 but forgotten way too quickly after.

I enjoyed this interview because Daniel Che and I don’t agree about the answer to every question we ask here, though I think we do agree about the importance of these questions. We closed with a few words about another Ukranian peace activist in Kyiv, World BEYOND War board member Yurii Sheliazhenko, who was taken from his home and tortured in Kyiv for his principled pacifism last month. Daniel Che points out that many other Ukranian people have been treated similarly.

Musical excerpt for this episode: “Enough is Enough” by SanSay.

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